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Most of us were never taught how to deal with conflict.
We picked up habits from our families, friends, teammates, or coworkers. Maybe we copied what we saw. Maybe we tried to avoid becoming what we didn’t like. But in most cases, no one handed us the skills to navigate conflict in a healthy way. No one said, “Here’s how you ask for what you need, say no clearly, or hold your boundary without blowing up.”
That’s what I dig into in this episode of Five with Fry.
Conflict Is Part of Daily Life
Conflict isn’t just about arguments or blowups. It’s the daily moments when something feels off, when your needs aren’t being met, when a conversation takes a turn. It shows up in your relationships, your group chats, your meetings—and even at the nail salon. (More on that in a second.)
Without the skills to navigate it, we end up stewing in silence, snapping in frustration, or backing away from situations we should be stepping into. It takes a toll. On our mental health. On our self-worth. On our ability to go after promotions, advocate for ourselves, or set meaningful boundaries.
A Bad Manicure, and a Better Response
A few weeks ago, I was at the nail salon. The polish being used was thick, clumpy, and clearly not going on right. The old version of me would’ve sat there quietly, paid for it, and then gone somewhere else to have it fixed—all while carrying frustration I never expressed.
Instead, I calmly said, “This color isn’t going on well. Can you please take it off and reapply it?”
That moment might seem small, but it represents a big shift: I could advocate for myself in real time, clearly and respectfully. No raised voices. No tension. Just direct communication and a solution.
That change didn’t happen by accident. It came from building conflict skills.
That’s Why I Wrote I Said No
I wrote I Said No: How to Have a Backbone and Boundaries Without Being a Jerk for people who want to show up differently in conflict. People who are tired of second-guessing themselves. People who want to speak up without being harsh—or shrinking.
This book gives you tools to handle the moments that matter, whether they’re small or significant. It helps you practice saying what needs to be said in a way that feels clear, calm, and aligned with who you want to be.
The Goal: Pride in How You Respond
When you start building these skills, you begin to see the shift. You respond instead of react. You speak up in real time instead of complaining later. And you walk away from situations feeling proud of how you handled them.
That’s what this episode is about. That’s what this book is for.
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It’s time to build the conflict skills we all needed a long time ago.




